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Creativity:. Other operating systems:. Don't see your community listed? Or a subreddit for it, and when it has over 350 subscribers, and we'll add it to the sidebar. I love trying out all the different distributions, but the Tumbleweed liveCD won't boot on my machine (Nvidia 970 issues). It seems like a distribution I might like however (rolling, easy to maintain for customers, etc.).
Before I go installing it onto my external drive (and over my current favorite Fedora 23 install), could anyone who's used it please offer me a short review? How does it compare to Fedora and Ubuntu? How well does it implement KDE? (Normally I use Gnome, but am interested in trying out a current KDE implementation). Tumbleweed is hard, if not impossible to compare to Fedora or Ubuntu both are 'traditional', released-based distributions. They build it over a few months, they ship it, and they then cautiously patch things (often as small as possible, backports, etc) to keep it secure/usable for their users over their chosen lifespan If you're interested in an openSUSE like that, we have Leap, and I believe Leap to be better than Fedora and Ubuntu for a whole bunch of reasons, starting with the fact that Leap has an Enterprise codebase (SUSE Linux Enterprise to be exact) at it's heart with the openSUSE Project building a fully-fledged community distribution ontop of it. But you asked about Tumbleweed Leap aims to be rock-solid, Tumbleweed rolls It's like Arch and Gentoo in that regard.
Tumbleweed today contains the latest packages of every software stack that has been packaged by the openSUSE Project. Latest kernel, libraries, desktop environments, everything in Tumbleweed can and does change regularly But, unlike other rolling distributions, Tumbleweed does it smart Tumbleweed is built like a 'traditional' distribution. All packages in Tumbleweed are built together as a cohesive distribution, and shipped together as a cohesive distribution.
If a new package in checked in that potentially can invalidate another package (eg. New glibc, new libraries, new kernel, etc) then the dependant packages are rebuilt, just like traditional distributions. But where as traditional distributions take days, sometimes weeks to do such, we do it in hours, because we have the Open Build Service - This produces a 'snapshot'.
A traditional distribution would probably call this a 'release candidate', an ISO and a set of repositories with all the software built and ready for testing. But building is only half the story. A good distribution needs to be tested. A good rolling distribution needs to be tested quickly. Arch and Gentoo rely on manual testers and purposefully delaying the inclusion of packages in their main repos in order to give people time to test stuff.
OpenSUSE has openQA openQA tests each snapshot over 100 times across four different hardware architectures (i586, x8664, ppc64, and aarch64) These are not artificial 'some developer writing some code to poke around some APIs' kind of tests openQA actually does proper real-world scenarios. Installations, upgrades, dual booting, encrypted LVM, kde, gnome, xfce, live CD's, network installs. You name it, we test it, and if we don't test it we want to and you can contribute tests as everything in openQA is 100% open source.
![Install Install](https://www.ordinatechnic.com/sites/all/assets/distro-reviews/opensuse/tumbleweed-snapshot20161204/images/pepper-flash-4.png)
Here's the list of the latest tests from the last Tumbleweed snapshot for example, just to give you an idea - Again, these aren't some kind of artificial 'some fancy coder wrote a robot that can mash buttons in the right order' tests. OpenQA can actually see the screens it is testing. It uses openCV and a library of reference screenshots (with areas of interest selected to allow openQA to ignore things we don't care about) which we call 'needles' So every test checks that every screen looks the way we want it to look for users. Every function that is tested presses the same keys and clicks on the same mouse buttons that a user would, and then openQA confirms that piece of software behaves in the way it has been taught to expect openQA does this for every step in installations & upgrades.
OpenQA checks all the core console commands, systemd, zypper, YaST in ncurses mode, curl, vim, firewall, ssh, etc etc openQA then logs into the desktop environment of choice (GNOME, KDE, lxde, xfce, etc) and checks graphical applications. Is gedit working? Etc etc And it does this all in dozens of different scenarios, over and over again, in parallel across many VMs and machines. We even do extra testing on incoming package submissions, so many cases we catch things before they get anywhere near a snapshot, and our developers get nice fast feedback about their otherwise potentially destructive change.
1000's of tests, over 100 scenarios.and with our current hardware (thanks SUSE!) a full snapshot gets tested in about 3 hours And if it passes, it ships, automatically. Most distributions take weeks to produce coherently built and tested disk images & repositories Tumbleweed does it about 5 times a week And a 'quiet' week can consist of approx new/updated 150 packages and a new kernel.
A normal week is double, if not triple that, and moving faster and faster. And all that extra work doesn't get in the way. We have the latest Plasma and GNOME 3.20 both in the pipeline for release - we'd probably be shipping it this weekend if it wasn't for Easter making things a little slower as we tidy the rough edges. And the end result? Tumbleweed is the only rolling distribution I'd recommend to any Linux enthusiast as their daily driver.
If you care about this stuff, you want the latest packages, but you only want them when they actually work, Tumbleweed is the best choice, bar none. And anyone who disagrees with me is welcome to join the openSUSE Project and help make it even better;). If all that you said would not be enough.
Build service alone is a winner! OpenSUSE has been rather good latelly, using TW with fully unstable KDE repos and its been awesome ( rather stable actually ). Buildservice for me, makes openSUSE stand appart. Like some 8 years ago I thought that factory should be a rolling release distro, I now think that 'insight and development' should go into buildservice and the repository problem!
OpenSUSE has been growing and growing better. Please don't stop improving it!
OpenSUSE has a lot of really cool features. I've mostly used Leap, but they apply to Tumbleweed too. What are the cool features? The automated testing system (OpenQA), the ability to do filesystem snapshots with btrfs/snapper, the flexibility you get with the open build service, the options available in YaST (system admin), the ability to make custom live/install CDs on SUSE Studio, etc.
In particular the option to do filesystem snapshots is a game-changer. On one of my installs I recently wanted to reinstall the OS to have a blank slate and build up my system from the beginning. Instead of taking the time to reinstall the operating system, I just did a rollback to the very first snapshot, which gave me my install exactly as it was on first bootup (without even the wireless network or anything configured). I'm sure btrfs and snapper are possible in other distros, but OpenSUSE makes them default and easy. I have a lot good to say about OpenSUSE but it's not perfect. For legal reasons, some important things (codecs and good font rendering) are not installed by default. You can install them manually, but it's a bit of a pain and I wouldn't suggest OpenSUSE for complete Linux beginners.
Also, OpenSUSE relies on additional repositories more than other distros I've used, and this can cause some headaches. But overall OpenSUSE is a great distro. Snapshots might be a gamechanger if you're an OpenSUSE user, but for everyone else they've been around for ages. They're a feature of LVM, and they've been around since RHEL/CentOS 5, and not just confined to BTRFS. In fact, I'm shocked to hear that this is only just being implemented in SUSE.
![Opensuse Opensuse](/uploads/1/2/5/3/125395368/978396932.png)
Don't get me wrong, some thing about SUSE are great. Zypper, for one, and the build tool. But they sound like they're way behind the curve on a lot of things. Me, I've tried SUSE at several points, but I found it to be bloated and difficult. LVM snapshots are comparatively useless compared to openSUSE's btrfs snapshots controlled by snapper snapper snapshots are diffable - you can see a full breakdown of every single change to every single file between two snapshots - you cannot do that with LVM. Being file based, you can selectively restore individual files rather than having to rollback the entire system to a snapshot - you cannot do that in LVM.
Snapper snapshots can be booted into direct from grub - openSUSE/SLE are the only distributions which have that functionality. Snapper snapshots are automatically triggered when either zypper or YaST is used, ensuring that no package install or admin action in YaST can break your system without leaving a restore point. you can do that with LVM, but why would you want to without the above three features?
I think you need to reassess your opinion as to whom is behind which curve;). Adding a GUI to something you can do with diff isn't ahead of the curve. You can do all those things with LVM snapshots. You can, you can. Of course, with LVM you can't selectively restore files, but if you're at the point where breakage is so severe you can't downgrade a package, you're booting into rescue to restore that file anyway. So it's a redundant feature.
But then again, ZFS can do all of that. I can count on one hand the number of snapshots I've needed to restore from in the past five years, and btrfs performs miserably compared to other filesystems, especially on VMs. It just has no use-case for me, and would involve locking me down to a particular file system.